Whats the Difference??? Tylose Powder…CMC Powder…Trag Powder….Gum Tex…

12 May

I receive many emails everyday regarding the different “Gums” as they are called available on the market! I know it’s all quite confusing especially to those who are just getting started in working with Sugarpaste also know as fondant or gum paste.

Let me point out that when I say sugarpaste I am referring to fondant or gumpaste, because both are made with is sugar and just a few other ingredients and is a dough like paste that is used to cover cakes, create flowers and my favorite of course which is creating hand sculpted figurines.

When I say sugar flowers as I do often times I am really talking about gumpaste flowers.

Now lets talk about all the different “Gums” as they are often called.

First one that we will discuss is Tylose Powder and the one that I always use. Tylose Powder is less expensive than most gums on the market however it can be tough to locate since it is mostly avail. through the internet, you can find it at some of the specialty cake supply stores but not at Michaels Craft Store or Joanns. Tylose powder is used in some gumpaste recipes but you can add it to plain fondant to create a quick version of Gumpaste for  my creating figurines and sugar flowers. Tylose powder is a  fine powder you can work into fondant to make a really quick transition to gumpaste.

To create a quick gumpaste with fondant just Add 1 -3 tsp of Tylose powder to 1lb of fondant. Dry humidity areas use less Tylose - High humidity areas use more Tylose. Knead it in very well to your fondant. If you are using a pre-made Gum paste you don’t need to add any Gums to your paste because it already has some form of Gums in it. I usually don’t use a pound of fondant at a time when creating my figurines so I use small pinches of tylose powder to my fondant until I get the consistency I am looking for.

Gum Trag or the long version of the name….. gum tragicanth is another gum additive used in many different recipes to make gumpaste and pastillage. It add strength and stretch to the final product.

 Gum Tex is more readily available to most and is made by Wilton. Like gum tragicanth, gum tex is an ingredient to make gum paste pliable, elastic & easy to shape.

Gum Arabic - a versatile hydrocolloid that has many applications. A superior emulsifier, widely used in the production of beverage and flavor emulsions and meal replacers. Its low viscosity and adhesive properties, meanwhile, make gum arabic an excellent ingredient for coating cereal, confections, and snack foods. For bakery products, the gum’s binding and emulsification abilities aid in the formulation of icings and frostings as well as baked goods like cakes and muffins. Beyond foods and beverages, gum arabic has been long used in lithographic processes and pharmaceutical products. A natural gum additive that can be used as an edible glue to stick pieces of modeling paste together when mixed with water. This additive can also be added into Royal Icing to give it more strength.
Mix 2 tsp. of Gum Arabic with 2 ounces of water to make a gum glue. Gum glue is used to Gumpaste figurines, bows and other objects together

CMC Powder or sometimes referred to as Super Gum and  CMC Gum, and the technical name  Sodium Carboxymethyl Cellulose Gum, or just Cellulose Gum is frequently used as a thickener and a texture ingredient in many applications throughout the food service industry. Food grade and industrial grade CMC Gum is also known as cellulose gum. It is derived from purified cellulose such as cotton linters. CMC Gum helps products retain moisture. CMC Gum is a man-made gum. CMC produces the highest cohesiveness (such as sticking together).  CMC is frequently used as a thickener and a texture ingredient in many applications used in the food service industry.  Also CMC gum helps products retain moisture.

Many are getting confused because I use Tylose Powder and they think that they cannot use any of these other gum ingredients…..Yes you can use any of the other gum ingredients INSTEAD of the tylose powder that I use. SOO if you have access to CMC Powder then by all means use that in your fondant…..if you have gum trag available to you then use that. Any of these listed can be used and added to your fondant.

Hopefully I did not confuse you even more with all this information, I know that many are not sure what each of these are for so I thought I would list each one to give you a basic idea, for future reference.

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129 Responses to “Whats the Difference??? Tylose Powder…CMC Powder…Trag Powder….Gum Tex…”

  1. Akinwale khadijat September 13, 2013 at 6:00 am #

    Wheneva i make my cake before the second day it wil become watering.Or am i going to add cmc,tylose,gelatine and glucose together in the hot water.

    • The Sugar Lane October 11, 2013 at 7:18 pm #

      Akinwale khadijat
      I am not sure what your telling me, is the cake getting watery or is the fondant getting watery I must know in order to answer your question!

  2. Jean September 11, 2013 at 8:37 am #

    Thanks for the info!!! Its much more than I hoped. for.

  3. Jen August 4, 2013 at 3:03 pm #

    Hi,

    Which would be best to use to dry something pretty much rock hard? I have been using C1000 ultra file tylo powder CMC and altho they dry, they’re still softish. I just read you said CMC helps retain moisture?

    Thanks

    • The Sugar Lane October 11, 2013 at 7:00 pm #

      Jen….Tylose/cmc powder is used to deal with areas which have lots of humidity…or in order to get your pieces to dry out better. In order to get something to dry rock hard you would need to just use plain gumpaste it already has the powders in it and when you make something the longer you allow for it to set up and dry the harder it will be. I hope this helps!
      FYI…the cmc does not help retain moisture…it takes the moisture away from the paste.

  4. Angela June 21, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

    Hi there, I came across your blog whilst researching about typo powder. Thanks for this as it really clears it up for me now. I’m still a novice to cake decorating.
    I just have one qu, I need to make some fondant flowers for wedding cupcakes and one large flower for the cake. I plan to make the flowers in advance & with tylo powder mixed into the fondant will the flowers still hold their shape in humid weather?
    I will be storing the pre made flowers in a cool dry place but I’m just worried if the wedding day is humid how will the flowers hold up?
    Also how do you attach a large fondant flower on the side of the cake without having to worry it will fall off?

    Hoping you can please help.
    Thank you.
    xoxo
    Angela

  5. samira April 17, 2013 at 10:15 am #

    Hi, thanks for the wonderful post, am so much enlightened now. I’ve been making beautiful fondant cakes for almost a year now and I make my fondant from scracth. I just realized that gelatin is from animal and mostly pig. I dnt hav agar agar to substitude. Can I use any of d gums(in less quantity) to substitute for d gelatin. Thank you

  6. Alex April 7, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    Hi! I would like to ask you what can I use to make fondant thicker? Since I can’t find those powder, gums or whatever… I can’t order it online as well… Can gelatine, powdered sugar help?? I really have no idea what to use I’m making this for the first time.. Thanks

  7. Michelle March 16, 2013 at 10:58 am #

    The Sugar Lane
    You are A-STAR
    Easy Peasy

    • The Sugar Lane March 19, 2013 at 6:00 pm #

      Michelle Thanks soo much!

      • Sweetie Pies March 30, 2013 at 3:06 pm #

        Hi Im using satin ice fondant But dnt knw y even for small cakes After a while cracks appearing Wht can b the reason Ive tried adding cmc powder Thn i thot may b its cuz of being dry so i tried crisco But its not working either way Any suggestion Its frustrating Kindly reply asap Thanx in advance

        Sent from my iPhone

    • Audry May 11, 2013 at 11:44 pm #

      Hey,

      This is the first time I’ve heard about Gum Arabic. I was looking through Google for other information about Tylose powder for gumpaste recipes. I use Tylose powder as well (What website/distributor do you use for Tylose?)

      With Gum Arabic, how much would you add to royal icing? Is Gum Arabic just an adhesive property, or does it thicken the mixture as well?

      Thanks for all your help! You’re extremely helpful with your blogs!

  8. sam February 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

    hi,
    I have tried using gum trag &Tylo powder with fondant but it doesnt work. I have tried leaving it overnight , but it doesnt make it like gumpaste. Could it be the brand , should i try again with another brand??

    • The Sugar Lane February 26, 2013 at 9:24 am #

      Hello there Sam,

      I am not sure what is happening to your paste…..if you don’t feel that it is working I would suggest that you try a ready-made gumpaste in the future. I use the Satin Ice brand. As far as the brand that your referring to I do not think that would be an issue. I wish I could be of more help to you!

      • gem March 4, 2013 at 10:29 am #

        where can you buy tylose powder is there any retail where we can buy it from in the uk/dorset

  9. Beth February 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm #

    Hey ive been asked to make a shopping bag cake for a friend based on a selfriges bag. Im worried about the fondant supporting itself when it stands higher than the cake as the sides of the bag. I was wondering if i ad tylose powder to the fondant will that effect the taste or make it to hard to eat? Thanks very much for your help. Your blog is awesome by the way!!!! xx

    • The Sugar Lane February 26, 2013 at 9:04 am #

      Beth, you are on the right track by using the tylose powder just add it to your fondant so that it will have more strength to stand on its own. Tylose will not affect the taste, nor will it make it too hard to eat. Tylose powder is actually in many food products that we ear everyday so its no issue! Thanks so much for your nice comment.

      All my best!

  10. Marylou's cake January 27, 2013 at 11:08 pm #

    Hi.. I’m making the whole body of Ninjago. I wonder if I will need adding cmc on it to become more elastic to avoid thinning or cracking? Pls help! Thanks

  11. Cupcakes October 26, 2012 at 11:41 am #

    can you use marshmelow fondant with the gum tex will it still harden up. Please return message as soon as posable thank you soooo much. luv CUPCAKE

    • The Sugar Lane October 27, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

      Hello Cupcakes….

      Yes, you can use Marshmallow Fondant with Gum Tex added to it to strengthen your fondant….many people have told me they do this and it works pretty well for them! Good Luck.

      • lynne November 30, 2012 at 10:05 pm #

        hi ms Sugar Lane…

        i work for a local cake decorator and we use satin ice fondant and tylose to make them gum paste. i’m trying to make marshmallow fondant for the first time at home with the use of gumtex to make gum paste. the product i ended up with does not feel the same as the satin ice with tylose like i thought it would. the mmf and gumtex felt crumbly and not at all elastic. the mmf is just plain marshmallows and powdered sugar, some i added food coloring and then the gumtex. they just don’t feel and work like the stuff i use at work. please help i just wanna make some figures for a cake using the mmf instead of a pre-made fondant.

  12. Folasade October 24, 2012 at 11:39 am #

    Thanks a lot, this was so relieving as Ǻ♍ making ♍γ̲̣̣̥ first fully decorated cake with fondant cake and gumpaste in a few days.

  13. teknobunnie October 21, 2012 at 1:52 am #

    HI there, can I use CMC to make my cut out letters (using
    tappits) stronger or do i need tylose?

    • The Sugar Lane October 26, 2012 at 3:21 am #

      You can use cmc powder in your fondant or the tylose both products do the same thing….there is no difference! Good luck to you………..

  14. CJ October 5, 2012 at 7:13 pm #

    Hi,
    I making plaques for my cupcakes on which I will be adding edible printed pictures…

    I have bought fondant and tylose powder to ensure the plaques harden instead of flopping on the cucpake! Would you say with the tylose powder I can make the plaques on the same day or should it be prepared in advance?

    Thanks x

    • The Sugar Lane October 26, 2012 at 3:25 am #

      CJ It is always best to make your toppers up in advance so that they have time to properly dry. I would make them up a week in advance if it were me making them even if using the tylose powder.

      • CJ October 26, 2012 at 6:09 pm #

        Thanks so much for the reply. I made them in advance and they were fine! It was National Baking Week for Great Ormond Street and made the attached:
        http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/cjscupcakes/8099423285/
        Your post was very helpful indeed and couldnt of got it done without it!
        Thanks for the tips once again cx

      • Cupcakery March 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm #

        Hi sugar Lane,
        I wonder where can I buy those cmc,tylose or trag powder in the Philippines. Im coming to Manila after holy week.

        Thanks, cupcakery

  15. gillian September 18, 2012 at 10:57 am #

    Hi im going to make my first fully decorated cake in a few weeks for my nephews christening and I was wondering if im right in thinkin I should add the tylose powder to the fondant paste to make the little blocks for the name letters to go on?

    • The Sugar Lane September 20, 2012 at 10:47 pm #

      Gillian Yes I would add tylose to the fondant so that your blocks will be firmer for you!

  16. karencoetzee August 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    Thank you your explanation has been a huge help!!

  17. prathima July 30, 2012 at 6:39 am #

    Hi I am a vegetarian. Please advise if tylose powder is suitable for vegelatrians as I don’t use eggs or gelatin. My other problem is when I put fondant flowers on fresh cream the colour runs onto the cream. Wat can I use to stop this from happening.

  18. Fatima Dixon July 25, 2012 at 4:15 am #

    Thanks dear, knowing these differences has helped me.am grateful. This means I can’t use CMC in place of gum tragacanth?

    • The Sugar Lane July 25, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

      Fatima YES…..you can use the CMC in place of the gum trag they are alot alike and will do pretty much the same thing for you!

  19. Naomi July 16, 2012 at 3:53 am #

    hi
    i live in South Africa. I can’t find gumpaste at all we only get petinice that is a fondant. we also only get Gum arabic and C.M.C powder. i cant get the fondant elastic to make flowers. any sugestions.
    regards
    Naomi.

    • The Sugar Lane July 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

      Hi Naomi

      You can purchase the CMC Powder or Gum Arabic and add one of them to the Pettince Fondant that you can purchase and this will give you a better comtrolled paste that should enable you to create sugar flowers. The key to making the sugar flowers is not the elasticity as much as the ability to roll the paste out very thin making a realistic looking flower. Experiment a bit by adding 2 pinches one of the gum ingredients (cmc powder or gum arabic) to a 2 inch sized ball of fondant and work with it, try making a flower and see how it goes for you. I have done this myself in the past and was able to make it work….good luck to you Naomi!!

    • Louisa November 29, 2012 at 12:44 pm #

      Hi Naomi, not sure where in South Africa you live, but I buy my plastic icing etc. at Value Baking Supplies or The Baking Tin. (I live in Western Cape). They have all the special cake stuff that normal supermarkets don’t have. They might have a branch near you, be able to deliver or refer you to someone else.

      Good Luck!
      L

    • martie February 3, 2013 at 8:34 am #

      Hi naomi

      Where in SA do you stay? I don’t have any problem finding tylose, cmc or even dyosel

  20. Saima July 10, 2012 at 4:53 am #

    I dnt have cmc powder available
    Can i add gum tex poweder while making my fondant to avoid fondant becoming too shaggy in summer heat
    Plz reply
    Thanx

    • The Sugar Lane July 16, 2012 at 10:58 am #

      Saima
      Yes you can add some gum tex to add to your fondant to firm it up a bit for the shapes you are doing my friend!
      Also I would make your shapes ahead of time so that they will retain their shape.

      • Saima July 16, 2012 at 12:41 pm #

        Thank u so much for ur reply, u r so kind

  21. Sam June 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm #

    Hi! I am from Argentina and it is very difficult for my to find CMC or Tylose powder here, that is why I want to understand if cellulose gum should be the same thing than glucose? Because here we use Glucose to helps products retain moisture and the texture of the glucose we have here is very very similar to the edible glue I watched in many videos at youtube. Could you please help me with that?

    • The Sugar Lane July 18, 2012 at 6:37 pm #

      Hello Sam

      Gluscose is what we actually use for making Fondant from scratch. It is not the same thing as CMC powder or Tylose powder. If at all possible it may be best to purchase one of them from the internet. The Cellulose gum is the same thing as the CMC powder but not the Glucose.

      I hope this all makes sense!
      D

  22. Jeff Raymond May 5, 2012 at 9:47 am #

    I enjoy this wonderful insight. Thanks

  23. ritawayne64 April 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm #

    Thank you so much now I have a better understanding of these types of gums but one question, I made the sole to a shoe I used Fondx added some Wilton gumpaste and let it set up for 2 weeks it never got stiff what did I do wrong??

  24. louise roberts March 14, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Thanks for the info, was just wondering, are they all ‘edible’ not that you would want to eat the models or flowers but I am fairly new to decorating and people ask a lot. Thanks.xx

    • The Sugar Lane March 21, 2012 at 6:44 pm #

      HI Louise…

      Technically, yes they are edible….do people eat them? Not usually since when they dry they are much too hard, but they are all created using fondant or gumpaste and both are edible for cake decorating. I do understand, I have always be asked, can those be eaten. Good luck to you my friend, welcome to the world of cake decorating!

      • louise roberts March 25, 2012 at 7:50 am #

        Thank you so much.Xx

  25. iro March 9, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    Hi!
    I’m so excited i found this website-so many usefull things!!!
    I live in greece and i order most of the ingredients from UK, since there is a limited variety available here and often really overpriced. I’m a novice in sugarpaste about to make it for the first time this weekend but we do not have crisco or any other “white shortening” here in greece. Only margerine is available, and it is refrigerated and “fytini” which is a vegetable shortening kinda , not refrigerated but it is yellowish and and has a rough texture-not creamy. It melts into oil when cooked. What can i use instead of Crisco? Thanks for any answer really!

    • The Sugar Lane March 12, 2012 at 1:03 am #

      Hello Iro……

      Welcome my friend!! To be honest I am not sure what you should use to make sugarpaste, but I would try the fytini since it is like a vegetable shortening….I will also tell you since you do purchase things from the UL, you can purchase a shortening from them as well if you are interested. There is a shoortening used by decorators called high ratio shortening to make their sugarpaste. You may also be able to purchase a regular shortening from the UK too. I am sorry I was unable to give you more info on what you could use from Greece. All my best to you!!

  26. Linda February 25, 2012 at 1:28 am #

    Hi,
    I am a beginner. I bought some fondant from the shop and was wondering if I needed to add the tylose powder to this before I create my little animals?

    • The Sugar Lane March 12, 2012 at 3:52 am #

      Linda, I would add some tylose powder to your fondant so that it will add strength to the paste for making your animals. Just add a few pinches to your paste and knead it very well, then make your animals!

      • Linda March 12, 2012 at 5:44 am #

        Thank you so much. I can now get started. I have been too scared to try this before I got your reply.

        • The Sugar Lane March 14, 2012 at 8:16 am #

          Linda…..don’t be scared, just go for it my friend, I’m sure you will do a fantastic job on your project, I wish you the best!!

          D

  27. vennie February 15, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    What is the shelf life for tylose powder

    • The Sugar Lane February 16, 2012 at 9:50 am #

      To be honest I have no idea what the shelf life of Tylose Powder would be, you could google and see if there is anything online that would state exactly what the shelf life is. I would think it lasts quite some time, I have some that I have been using for at least a year, it is powder so it should have a long shelf life.

  28. Rana February 13, 2012 at 10:02 pm #

    Hi I was wondering if I can use gum arabic to make gum paste since that is the only thing around me? I live in a place where it’s very hard to find things. Thank you.

    • The Sugar Lane February 16, 2012 at 11:15 am #

      Rana, yes you can use the gum arabic to make your gumpaste it is a gum ingredient and will do the same thing as tylose powder does. Good luck to you my friend!!

  29. lena January 21, 2012 at 8:47 pm #

    Can I add the Xanthan Gum to my fondant to creat a gumpaste and how much do I need to use?

    • The Sugar Lane February 16, 2012 at 11:35 am #

      Lena, you should be able to use the Xanthan gum since it is a gum ingredient, although I have never used it myself. I would try the same amount as I would with the tylose powder which would be 1-3 tsps to a pound of fondant. Good luck to you!

  30. Maria November 21, 2011 at 12:16 am #

    Hi,
    Can i add gum mix to fondant can to make flowers? This willbe gum paste?.

    Thank you

    • The Sugar Lane November 26, 2011 at 4:11 pm #

      Maria, yes you can add a gum mix to the fondant for making flowers, adding a gum product turns the fondant into a quick gumpaste.

  31. Sharon September 14, 2011 at 11:05 am #

    I have brought Sugar Paste to use on a mould that will make mini masquerade masks.

    Do i need to add one of theses ‘Gums’
    And which one would be best??

    i want them to set and go hard so i can draw on them with food pens

    • The Sugar Lane September 14, 2011 at 7:19 pm #

      Sharon if you are using gumpaste you do not need to add any gums to it, for those who dont know what I mean by gums, I am referring to tylose powder, cmc powder or gum trag.
      If you are using regular fondant then yes you would add a gum ingredient to it. The best way to go about doing this project….make sure you make your masks up and allow them
      to set up for 2 to 3 days and them it will be much easier to paint on them with the edible markers.

      All my best!!

  32. Vidhya September 8, 2011 at 7:59 am #

    Hi, I am from India and newly starting up making figurines. I would like to know if I can add CMC to fondant to make figurines dry up faster. Also, how much CMC should I be adding. I must say the figurines you have made look really really cute.

    • The Sugar Lane September 14, 2011 at 2:12 am #

      Yes, Cmc powder can be used and added to your fondant…..add 1 to 2 teaspoons to 1 pound of fondant if you are making a batch of it. Now if I am making a for example a little dog figure I just add a few pinches of tylose or cmc powder to the ball of fondant that I intend to use for my dog. I hope this makes sense to you. I wish you the best with your figures!!

  33. Pat Waddell September 3, 2011 at 5:23 am #

    Am just starting out and mostly on my own. Really appreciated your definitions of powders used in gum paste. Have a question, tho. When I make the fondant to cover the cake, should I add tylos to that as well, or is the tylos added just to the fondant I will be using to make flowers, etc? Would really appreciate some help here–and thanks!

    • The Sugar Lane September 14, 2011 at 2:16 am #

      Welcome to the world of cake decorating!!! You only need to add tylosepowder/cmc powder to fondant that you will be creating flowers or figurines with, not your fondant that you are going to cover a cake with. Hope this helps you!!

      • Cindy May 17, 2012 at 10:27 am #

        Hello! Thanks for this, it has been really helpful. I was wondering the same thing as Pat. Though you’ve said not to put any gum products into fondant for covering the cake, would it help with the cracking of my fondant? I use icing sugar to make the fondant less sticky, but I’ve heard a lot of people use cornflower. Could this be the cause of the cracking?

        • The Sugar Lane July 18, 2012 at 7:03 pm #

          Cindy alot of people use cornflower but from my experience it has made my fondant crack more. When I use icing sugar (powdered sugar) I use very little since this is a huge reason for fondant cracking issues. I use shortening in my fondant which will help make it more pliable when rolling out. When the air hits fondant it will immediately cause drying out of your fondant so it is best to work quickly.

  34. Voula-Bourdantonakis Kosta-Sigalos August 17, 2011 at 8:56 pm #

    hi, oh wow, what a head turn, well i have also just started making fondant cakes , i have very little acsess except over the internet as to what i can order, i make my fondant from icing, gelatine and glucosse is this wrong, it does dry a little quick i have no clue as to wear i can get glycerine!!! thats all up untill now i make everything from fondant , i want to make gum paste but dont know how, (*have read tooooo many recipes) what would you say are the must haves, should i use wiltons gum paste mix just add water soooo confused i’m pretty good with what i have but am seeking perfection, cracks and mistakes annoy me please help do i need tex and tylose … thank you for your time

    Paras

    • The Sugar Lane September 14, 2011 at 3:02 am #

      Hello Paras

      Sorry to just be getting to your question, I get soo many and it takes some time to make sure I get all the info together to reply to all who ask questions….to answer your question…Glycerin is available online, now I know that there are many cake supply companies here in the U.S. that do not ship world wide but what I did find is that there are a few people on ebay that do ship worldwide and they have the glycerin that you need.. Here is the link to the ebay person that I was talking about……http://www.ebay.com/itm/GLYCERINE-100ml-Glycerin-sugarcraft-cake-decorating-NEW-/290438448795?pt=Uk_Crafts_Cake_Decorating_MJ&hash=item439f7b069b

      To be honest regarding the gumpaste it may be easier to start with the mix avail. from Wilton to get you started working with it. I do not make my own anymore since I can purchase it online here in the U.S. I purshase the Satin Ice brand and love it. But if you would like to make your own I plan to add a good recipe to use to my site since everyone is asking for a good one to use. To be honest perfection with fondant or gumpaste comes over time, I was horrible in the beginning and it seemed as though the more I worked with it the better things got. You have to have patience in cake decorating, give yourself a pat on the back each and everytime that you try something new. It is not easy learning all these new techniques….If everyone could have seen all my mistakes back in the beginning you would feel much better cause it does happen to ALL of us in the beginnning!! Please take my word for it, it does get easier dealing with all the little issue that come up. In my opinion becoming a great cake decorator is NOT someone who makes beautiful creations, but someone who learns to deal with all the mistakes, problems, and issues that come up when making and decorating a cake…..because you gain your experience during those times that you solve an issue, or fix a crack in your icing and so on!! I hope this all makes sense to you Paras, I know that its overwhelming at times my friend but you are doing just fine….just keep going and do your best……

      Oh and as far as Tylose powder you do not need it unless you are making your own gumpaste, or using it to add to fondant for making flowers or figurines.

  35. Dena July 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm #

    Hi!
    Could you help me!! I make little babies for cupcakes with the gumpaste recipe on the gum-tex container. But with the hot weather it takes a long to for them to dry. Could you tell me could I add some Tylose to it? I make them and sell them and when they don’t dry it’s hard to ship them out! Or could you tell me what is the best way to make a good gumpaste or fondant that will dry really hard & fast!!
    Thanks!
    Dena

    • The Sugar Lane September 14, 2011 at 3:12 am #

      Dena…Sorry to be just getting to your question with the summer i am very backed up with soooo many questions!!
      If I were you I would purchase the Wilton fondant which sets up very nice and quckly so that you can create and ship quicker than with the recipe that your using now! Since the Wilton fondant taste sooo bad I only use it for making figurines I love the way it sets up and dries nice and hard! Hope this helps you….All my best my friend!

  36. Sharon Robinson July 6, 2011 at 11:50 pm #

    Hi there, I’m a long-time baker who’s making my own gumpaste for the first time (I usually buy pre-made). I prefer gumpaste made with Tylose so I bought powdered gumpaste mix (CK Products) and some Tylose (also by CK Products). The powdered gumpaste mix says it contains “vegetable gums”, so I’m not sure how much Tylose to add to the gumpaste mix. All the recipes I’ve found that use Tylose are for making gumpaste from scratch (no mix) so I’m not sure of the proportions. Help, please! (and thanks in advance – Sharon)

  37. helen June 21, 2011 at 11:39 am #

    thanks will give it a try.

  38. helen June 12, 2011 at 7:31 am #

    I have recently made small childrens shoes to go on my niece’s christening cake. I would like them both to be able to keep them as a memento. Is there a way to ensure that they survive being kept a long while in small memnto boxes. I was thinking of varnishing them ( if so what varnish can be used) this would ensure they are not damaged by moisture. is this viable or does anybody have any other ideas. It would be nice if my nieces could show their children what was on their christening cakes and as they are only three and one that is a long way off.The shoes are made of fondant icing with gum tragacanth added to it (250g fondant / 1tsp gum trag) all suggestions gratefully recieved.

    • The Sugar Lane June 20, 2011 at 5:17 pm #

      Hello Helen…….You can use any spray laquer that is available at most craft stores as well as any store that carries paint and supplies. I use a clear spray laquer that is in a spray can…..turn the item over and spray the bottom first and let that dray for 24 hrs the turn upright and spray the entire piece. This does help to preserve the piece however please be aware that if the piece becomes exposed to warm temperaures or very high humidity it can get soft and begin to droop. I always have my air conditioning on in the summer so my pieces that I have preserved are just fine. I wish you the best!!

  39. Maria Linda Mulig June 11, 2011 at 11:53 am #

    hi…in the philippines we have this thing called gum mix by peotraco…i don’t know what type of gum it is though..could i use this in making gum paste flowers??thanks!

    • The Sugar Lane June 20, 2011 at 5:24 pm #

      Hi Maria…..to be honest I am not familiar with that product so I cannot say for sure if It will work for you but if I were you I would just go ahead and do a trial run with it to see if it will work or not.

  40. soneeka June 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm #

    Hello.
    I was surfing the net to find the solution to a problem and came across your website. Thank you for all your inputs, you are very kind.
    I need you help on the problem that I am facing in making the gumpaste. The original recipe has Tylose, however i have to use CMC as tylose is not available in India. My gumpaste is crumbling on usage and I can see cracks developing when the object dries up. The proportion I have used is 825 gm sugar to 35 gm cmc. Are you able to help here. Am I using a wrong proprtion. Is there a ratio from converting tylose to cmc.
    Appreciate all your help.
    Best regards,
    Soneeka

  41. Rosalie Dungca June 5, 2011 at 10:11 am #

    Hi, I just started making a fondant and were I stay tylose are not available to ship. is it ok to use gum tex as a replacement to create a Figurine?

    • The Sugar Lane June 20, 2011 at 5:28 pm #

      Hello Rosalie…..Yes, you can use Gum-Tex as a replacement in your fondant. Good Luck to you!!

  42. Abigail April 28, 2011 at 8:06 pm #

    Thank your for the post, very helpful for someone like me who’s just starting.

  43. vinu April 21, 2011 at 5:07 am #

    hi,

    came across ur blog recently and i must say u r doing a great work.ur descriptions are very good.thank you.

    can u guide me as to where in singapore i can get CMC powder?

    thanks in advance.

    • The Sugar Lane April 21, 2011 at 12:59 pm #

      http://www.sugarshack.co.uk is a place that many of my cake friends around the world purchase not only CMC powder but many other cake products as well…they ship world wide and have pretty good postal rates. I hope this helps my friend!!

  44. CiCi April 14, 2011 at 10:13 pm #

    I need to stick already made sugar bees to a beehive cake. Do you have reccomendations on what I could use?
    We do not have much selection where I live.
    Thanks
    Ciara

    • The Sugar Lane April 15, 2011 at 7:13 pm #

      Hello Ciara
      I would just use a little water on the sugar bees and then stick them to your cake, I hope my answer is what you were looking for now if you were wanting to make them appear as though they are flying, then you could put your bees on wires to put on your cake, now I do not put wires directly into my cakes I put drinking straws down into the cake and place the wires into the drinking straws.

  45. Roz Balmer February 25, 2011 at 8:23 pm #

    Hi, I’ve had a couple of attempts at adding gum tragacanth to white sugar paste and I have found that it only starts to feel like flower paste once I add some colour (gel). Should I be adding a small amount of liquid to the sugar paste to activate the the gum tragacanth? Thank you

    • The Sugar Lane April 21, 2011 at 1:13 pm #

      Roz it is never a good idea to add liquid to your sugarpaste……it takes a few hrs for the gum trag to activate in your sugarpaste so this sounds like what is going on for you.

  46. Louise February 4, 2011 at 7:56 pm #

    Hi – I am a completely new to baking and cake decorating person who is going into this pretty much blind – only being led by helpful people such as yourselves!.. So far so good – I have made some extremely yummy cupcakes and this week have covered my first cake in fondant icing!

    If I want to make figurines from fondant icing – do I need to use this gummy stuff you all speak about!?.. sorry to be vague but I really dont know and would have just tried to make the figurines without using any!…

    Any advice or tips you can give me will be most welcome as I am really keen to make a good go of this, as so far I seem to be ok!

  47. Terry Simmons January 6, 2011 at 2:35 pm #

    I am looking for a good moist cake recipe. I have been using Betty Crocker but something has happenedand it does not work for me anymore. I need a good white cake batter from scratch.

    • His Snowflake March 6, 2011 at 5:57 am #

      I use the Betty Crocker SuperMoist white cake mix. Mix according to the package directions (no yolks) and add 8 oz of sour cream to it. It makes a good, moist, delicious, perfectly white cake that holds up nicely.

  48. Liza September 4, 2010 at 1:14 am #

    I made premade 1 inch strips out of gumpaste to put on a drum cake and now I have to attach them to the fondant cake. Can I use Cai Tylose Powder as a “glue”? How much of it?

    • The Sugar Lane September 4, 2010 at 5:31 am #

      Tylose is added to fondant to make it dry quicker or turn fondant into a quick form of gumpaste….to paste your fondant strips on the cake just
      plain water it will work just fine…….

  49. Kristin August 5, 2010 at 6:50 pm #

    This was one of the first places I found that had information on ALL the different “gums”. Thanks so much!

    I was wondering if you had any tips for problems with my gumpaste not getting smooth before setting? Once I add a color and begin to roll it into a ball or shape it is very hard for me to get a smooth outside and I end up with cracks once it dries. I’ve read to roll it on cornstarch and use light shortening (or crisco) on your hands to keep it from sticking and I’m wondering if the combination of all of it is affecting the texture of the paste. I was hoping maybe using tylose powder would help make it stick together better. Thanks for ANY help :)

    • The Sugar Lane August 8, 2010 at 9:40 am #

      Your very welcome my friend!

      • The Sugar Lane August 8, 2010 at 8:39 pm #

        Yes….First off Gumpaste usually dries on the outside and then as it dries inside it causes the cracks to form and I myself have dealt with this quite a bit. One thing that may help you quite a bit is to stop using the cornstarch it makes fondant and gumpaste dry out even worse thus causing more cracks….

        Adding tylose powder to your gumpaste will not cause the issues you are having to stop, it will more than likely make things worse. I use tylose to add to my fondant to create a quick form of gumpaste, and it also helps when you live in an area that has high humidity too.

        So to deal with your situation try just using shortening (I use the stores brand) to put on your work surface to roll out your gumpaste if need be, just use a small amt because using too much can cause the gumpaste to begin to seperate when trying to roll different shapes.

        I hope this helps you and if you have any other issues feel free to email me!!

        • sally June 3, 2013 at 10:34 am #

          I use food/cling wrap over my fondant when rolling out, stops it sticking to rolling pin, reduces the use of powdered sugar/cornstarch etc.

  50. Tina June 7, 2010 at 5:53 pm #

    Thank you for the information, as a novice “caker” I really appreciate this :)

  51. Ruth Powers May 31, 2010 at 12:26 am #

    2nd try Like your web site very much. My ? is there a way one can reconstitute hardened fondant. Thank You. Ruth

    • The Sugar Lane June 1, 2010 at 2:48 pm #

      Yes….try putting into the microwave for a few seconds at a time until it is softer, then add a bit of shortening to get a nice consisitency again.

  52. Alicia Dallas May 23, 2010 at 2:34 pm #

    Hey There. I live in a place where Tylose is not available anywhere that I can find for purchase. I am wondering if it will kind of work the same if I add gum tex to my fondant?
    Thanks!

    • The Sugar Lane June 1, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

      Yes the gumtex should work for you……good luck my firend!

  53. gums and buttercream? April 23, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    Hello!
    This is an awesome website!
    i’m new to baking but i love making little figurines with fondant and gumpaste. The only problem is, buttercream ruins them all the time! the moisture in the buttercream causes the figurines to wilt and doesn’t hold shape.

    Do you have any suggestions on how to solve this issue? will adding Tylose to the gumpaste help hold the figurines in shape?

    THANK YOU!!

    • The Sugar Lane April 24, 2010 at 4:18 am #

      First off thanks so much for your sweet comment!
      Tylose powder is a gum ingredient…gumpaste already has gum ingredients in it, so you will not really get much more of a benefit from adding this to the gumpaste.
      Now you can add Tylose powder to the fondant and that will add strength to it and help it to keep from wilting and will hold it shape much better.
      To help your figurines when placing on a cake with buttercream use a small cake board to sit your figuines on so they do not come in contact with the buttercream,
      you can also place a small piece of wax paper under the bottom of your figurines as well to help protect them, and thing I do is wait to the very last minute to place
      fondant/gumpaste made pieces on a buttercream iced cake so that I don’t have to deal with the softening/wilting issues.

      I hope this helps to answer your question
      I wish you the best with your baking and such!!

      • gums and buttercream? May 11, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

        Thank you! those are great suggestions! I’ll let you know how they turn out!!

      • Kristina July 4, 2011 at 12:00 pm #

        Hi, How many hours ahead do you think will be safe to add the gumpaste decorations? I am making a cupcake tower with gumpaste hydrangea petals on most of the cupcakes. The petals are small and thin and I’m not sure about putting wax paper under each one. I already did a trial run and all of the petals melted on top of the buttercream, but I didn’t notice how long it took.
        thanks!

  54. Trish R April 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    Thanks for the explanation. Will adding gum tex or gum trag help to harden the flowers or figurines that I made from fondant? I’m using MM fondant to make flowers but realise that even after a few days, the flowers will not be hardened. It will just be firm.

    • The Sugar Lane April 24, 2010 at 4:22 am #

      Flowers made from MM fondant and gum trag will not ever get very hard for you due to the type of fondant….it is best to use a regular fondant with gum trag added to achieve the best results…..

      Better yet using a gumpaste is the absolute best thing to use for making flowers

    • Pam February 9, 2011 at 12:08 am #

      Hi, I use MM fondant all the time. I just don’t add any water to the recipe and make sure to add enough tylose. I’m only making flowers right now and find with MM fondant, I have more time to work it than any of the other recipies I have tried. They dry hard within 1 to 2 days.

      • The Sugar Lane February 22, 2011 at 4:22 am #

        Pam thanks sooo much for sharing what you do with the MM Fondant I know that this info with be of great help to many out there in the world of sugar crafting!!

        All my best!
        Donna

  55. Lauren April 9, 2010 at 9:10 pm #

    When doing a tall cake in fondant, would gum-tex or any other ingredient make the fondant be more durable — when gravity is working against you?

    • The Sugar Lane April 24, 2010 at 4:23 am #

      I really dont think that adding another ingredient to the fondant will help with the gravity issue, sorry!!!

  56. n April 4, 2010 at 12:57 pm #

    can cmc be used to make sugar paste?

  57. nel perez March 7, 2010 at 12:15 pm #

    hi! i like the website and all the stuff about gums.. i just wanna ask you, what is the best gum for you? and please… can i get a recipe of your gum paste for sugar flowers. thanks! so much!

  58. James Fox February 20, 2010 at 3:24 pm #

    I want to make a edible glue that is safe for birds, so I can use the glue to appply birdseeds to objects to make as birdfeeders. Can I make bird safe glue that will attach the birdseeds to wood or pine cones to make birdfeeders that is safe for birs and can be used outside with CMC Powder? Please
    advise

    • Lisa September 4, 2010 at 6:44 am #

      use peanut butter or other nut butters

    • Pam October 1, 2010 at 10:14 pm #

      When dealing with birds, it is best to stick with well known ingreidents. Peanut Butter is totally safe. Once the seeds are gone, just add more.

  59. lucy September 25, 2009 at 9:49 am #

    i like the website.i really would want to make a modelling of diffrente character but i seems to be missing the recipe. can u help me out.

  60. jeanette August 24, 2009 at 11:34 pm #

    Hi! I’m from Puerto Rico, i like to make cakes. I want to ask if you have any recipe for make “ice cubes” for a cake.
    I saw your photos and are great. thanks for your help.

    • The Sugar Lane August 25, 2009 at 12:23 am #

      I am not aware of any at this time…sorry!

    • Wytchspet August 26, 2010 at 1:40 pm #

      You can use Isomalt to make the ice cubes.

  61. afifi May 22, 2009 at 3:51 am #

    what is the thermal gum?

    • The Sugar Lane February 22, 2010 at 12:37 pm #

      I have never heard of a thermal gun to be honest!

      • deirdre February 8, 2012 at 3:17 pm #

        im not certain but quite sure that thermal gum in used in electronic equipment for sticking purposes as the name implies which even when heated will not melt.its not edible.

        • Kemlatzy Biggy January 10, 2013 at 5:13 pm #

          pls is it necessary to add cmc inside sugar 4 fondant

          • The Sugar Lane February 26, 2013 at 10:36 am #

            Kemlatzy it is only necessary to add cmc powder to fondant if you are trying to create a quick form of gumpaste.

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